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Dad and Company
Balancing Screen Time and Real-Life Adventures with Alban Brooke
Welcome to this week's episode of Dad and Company!
In this episode, Dylan and Jacob are talking with special guest Alban Brooke about:
- Balancing technology use as a family in the digital age
- The importance of open communication and trust between parents and children
- Encouraging kids to make their own decisions and develop critical thinking skills
- The value of shared family experiences and intentional bonding activities
- And much more!
Learn more about Alban:
Website: https://albanbrooke.com/
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Speaker 2:I'm like I have no frame of reference. I didn't know you were six four I I will often get the.
Speaker 1:you're a lot taller than I expected you to be and I'm always like I don't know how to look tall on like Zoom or Instagram. You know I don't know how to like get ahead of that for you, but no, yeah, I'm a tall glass of water over here for sure. Like to have a drink of?
Speaker 2:that you know what I'm saying. Okay, speaking of technology, which is what this episode is about, I've been thinking about Roblox. Do adults play Roblox?
Speaker 1:There probably are adults that play Roblox. I haven't personally met them, but you know, there's definitely, I'm sure somewhere there are adults who are playing Roblox. It is a game that is on every platform. But you can also like make games within the games and so, like, kids will like make games within the games and so, like kids are, like learn about new games. It's kind of the cool thing like oh, there's this new game on roblox that like some streamers talking about, because you can make your own games. Like people invest time there and you can actually make money like good money if you like make ones that are popular enough. There's lots of people playing this game. It's just like a cash machine. At this point, you know. It's just like they're just like wake up every day and like donald duck or what's his name oh, scrooge yeah, scrooge mcduck just diving into his like vault of gold coins.
Speaker 1:That's. That's roblox creators right there. That's what they do in the morning, I'm sure of it. My son's walking in the room right now. He's just taking a break from fortnite. Actually, what's up?
Speaker 1:you might, might have to stretch stay hydrated, exactly, I can't take your. So the new season of Fortnite came out today and so they've been up. They got up like at six in the morning and we're like we got to play this new season like level up. You get like new levels and Fortnite they actually hired people that create casino games to help them design the game, so it's as addictive as possible, like people want to keep. So there are all these like mechanics within the game that make you want to keep playing, to like level up and just keep that dopamine loop happening.
Speaker 1:Do you play fortnight? I do play like with my kids, like we'll play together, and it's like it's a bonding experience for sure. Um, they're just so much better at it than I am that I don't even know how it's fun for them to play with me, but they enjoy like just dominating dad and then like making fun of me. But I also have a mortal kombat 3 arcade one-up machine at our house, so when it's time for me to get vengeance, I'm like all right, let's go, let's make it happen. I'm gonna be cyrax and I am not gonna let you hit me once, and you're gonna see how it feels when you're, you know, building all these forks around me and I don't even know where you are in the game, but you're shooting me somehow there were growing up.
Speaker 2:There were a couple houses I know that had like arcade, proper arcade machines in their house. Yeah, it was always single dads, you know I quit that stereotype for sure.
Speaker 1:That's what arcade one-up machines were invented for for single dads for sure.
Speaker 2:They go. That's our main demographic right there. Kids can't afford this thing.
Speaker 1:Exactly it is. It's a lot of it's, they don't get used to time, but it's just fun to have them. And then, like well, buddy's over and like it's just fun to like, go back back, reminisce, play mortal kombat or street fighter or something dude that's every dad's dream is to like have an arcade machine in their house, maybe multiple.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my dream would be a golden tea. I think it's called the golf game where you spin that ball yeah, I think they have them at costco.
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Speaker 1:We fit their demographic.
Speaker 2:Well, today's episode we're talking to Albin Brooke, who is the head of marketing at Buzzsprout. Not only is Albin an excellent communicator which I guess you have to be if you are going to be head of marketing at a communication tool like Buzzsprout which Buzzsprout, by the way, is what we use to produce this podcast it's awesome. Albin knows a ton about marketing, podcasting, all that good stuff. Super genuine dude who has an eight and a half year old daughter, and we had him on to talk about technology. Uh, really, just to hear his perspective. What sparked my idea of having albanon was the fact that, like he works on the computer all day. A lot of us do. And just hearing you know we consume a lot of media. It was like you got a kid who also consumes media. Like, how do you balance that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. It is wild. Especially he's in that world. You know media creation is his world. Marketing, working for Buzzsprout within podcasting, but also being in the marketing channel of that, like social media, is just what he knows more than anything. So I think it is interesting to be in this position, like we are as well. I think we just have a different perspective on social media. I think we forget how the average person actually uses it sometimes.
Speaker 1:But it was awesome hearing his perspective on just having conversations with kids about it and I feel like I view parenting I think all three of us kind of view parenting through a similar lens.
Speaker 1:I think there's this generational thing where we kind of saw that parents that were the strictest, how kids responded right there kind of is this revolt. That happens a lot of times. So I really enjoyed him talking through his experiences, you know, as a child, not having that, but then seeing some of his friends and who did grow up in that type of a family and how, like, their college years were so different, how the relationships with the parents were so different. When mistakes happens as young adults, and for me, like I always think about, like how do I just make sure my kids trust me to have a conversation, a hard conversation, when things happen like how do they? I want them to have that relationship with me where they understand you can come to dad, we can talk through it. I think he had a lot of good advice on like why he takes that approach as well here's a conversation with alvin brooke.
Speaker 2:Alvin, welcome to the dad and company podcast thanks for having me. I'm happy to be here and uh, first off, let's get this out of the way. Thank you, you work at Buzzsprout. You've been at Buzzsprout for how long?
Speaker 3:Almost 10 years. In December, it'll be 10 years of podcasting for me.
Speaker 2:It's amazing and, if you don't know, you're listening, obviously, to this podcast, but this podcast is hosted on Buzzsprout and Buzzsprout is like, in my opinion, this is it sounds like I'm saying this cause Alvin's here, but if you've looked at my social media, you know I'll just. I say it been saying it for years Buzzsprout is like the best podcast hosting service and they've been like gracious enough to hook us up with hosting for this podcast. So thank you for helping us spread this message, playing a role besides just being an awesome guest on this episode. So thank you for that.
Speaker 3:Oh, you're welcome. Yeah, it's been a really fun journey we've had helping people get their shows online and out to the world and all sorts of different types of shows, but we're very happy to host this one, so the topic of this episode is balancing technology use as a family.
Speaker 2:On the last episode, we had Andy Murphy on, who talks about home security. We talked a little bit about the social security data breach that just happened and we were also talking about, like, online safety for kids. If you're listening to this for the first time, my I have one child, uh, who is one and a half technology use comes up, but I do feel like a good portion of this episode will be me listening to jacob and you guys talk, because it's a different stage when they don't really know what a tv is or they just kind of see this glowing thing, um. So I'm super curious to hear like your guys's take. I'm gonna chime in a little bit here and there, but like I'm really curious to listen.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's interesting, like that's just how kids communicate now, like sometimes phone calls happening, but a lot of times they're just like playing fortnight and they're like making plans, like as they're they're playing um the game. So it's just, it is just how kids communicate now. It's really interesting to see it all. And how old are your kids?
Speaker 3:I have one eight-year-old daughter and I feel like the first time we had a big talk about internet security was probably, I don't know, maybe a year and a half ago. She started playing on Roblox and there are lots of these games. Even if you didn't have chat enabled, they found the game built in mechanics for people to talk back and forth. And there's a few times I overheard and we're like, oh, you're like chatting with people, what's going on? And we're like, all right, we're not trying to just shut it all down and lock up the device. But there was a bit of like okay, now we need to have these talks about internet security.
Speaker 3:I mean I think I was much older when I started getting the internet security. I mean I think I was much older when I started getting the internet and so my experience was you know that we were, we already had pretty developed stranger danger and I think for kids now it's a totally different level because very young you're getting access to internet and all sorts of stuff Do your kids play Roblox yeah it's, it's a, it's a thing for sure.
Speaker 1:I think all kids like that's what they ask for christmas and birthdays, like robux or vbucks for fortnight, like it's. Yeah, they just kind of live in that world sometimes and like it's kind of interesting because they can kind of create their own little worlds in there, they can make their own games. So it's kind of fun to see them play in that world. But then there is this other side of like the whole world is out there. There you don't know who they're communicating with. You don't know who you know they're building relationships with or they think they're building relationships with, Even if you're present in the room. They got their headphones on and sometimes it's hard to talk. Like are they just like meeting somebody for the first time and creating rapport, or is it something that they know from school?
Speaker 2:What is happening in Roblox? Is it like Sims or Minecraft? You're building something like a world. What is going on here?
Speaker 3:Think of it as, I mean, we used to play all these video games that were just totally isolated experiences. You'd play one and then you'd log in to a totally different game. Roblox is a platform to create games, and so Roblox as a whole. You have a character that can go into any tens of thousands of experiences, and there is some look like it's a Barbie world, and the next one is like how to break as many bones as you can game, and so it's just like all sorts of different experiences, and so you can build worlds to be one of those tens of thousands and try to earn money, but a lot of the times you're also just jumping into random, you know, video game experiences. And, yeah, it's, it's massive. I didn't realize how big it was until my daughter started playing, and now I've, you know, learned about it online and it's like billions of dollars of money is flowing through this video game platform and it's just massively successful. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wow, you shared a little bit before we press record for this episode that you've had a bit of a transition period in your own household with television and just like, let's just say, media consumption. How has it been the journey in your household going from like no media to where you are today?
Speaker 3:I'm the oldest of five kids. I was homeschooled almost all of my childhood, as were my siblings, and we had a period I think probably before we got the internet where I know my parents were just so tired of nonstop cable watching that we at least had two years straight with no TV, and my memory of that was that it was pretty boring for the first few months, but after that a lot more legos, a lot more bike rides, a lot more playing with siblings, reading books, things like that. So I have this experience of like almost no outside media, or like limited. And then now I feel like I'm much more on the very permissive side with media and I was trying to explain earlier to me they're actually the same because both sides of it were. All the rules are equally applicable to the parents as with the children. So my parents it wasn't like they were sneaking to watching TV themselves we had a talk.
Speaker 3:As a family we're like we're not going to do a bunch of TV, we want to spend more time reading books and spend time together. And when we had that talk, my wife, daughter and I we're on the hey, we like video games, we're okay with some social media, we're okay with some TV, but we also all have some concerns, and so I think a lot of my thinking about parenting, especially around technology, is you know, things are equal. We're trying to see our child as responsible, we're treating her as somebody who can be thoughtful about her own media usage and overall, the thing I always go back to is like we want her to be the one flexing the muscle of what do I want to do with my day and with my time, rather than the parent kind of dictating here's what we will do until that day. Inevitably, like that, the kids leave the house.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love that so much because I do feel like so much of kids' time is just structured I get school and then after school activities, feel like so much of kids' time is just structured at school and then after school activities and then all right, we got to get dinner and get to bed.
Speaker 1:But just like providing them that space to just be creative and make decisions. I feel like there's understated value in that, like developing that muscle from an early age and even being able to identify risks and things that are like just don't seem right, like when you're interacting with somebody, and you'll be able to get some practice with that in a in more of a safe space. It's hard, though I don't know if you struggle with it or not. Sometimes I'm like I just want my kids to be safe, I want them to be happy, I want you know what I mean, I want these things for them, but then they don't always learn the lessons that are going to allow them to be successful in life. I'm not sure if you struggle with that kind of dynamic or not.
Speaker 3:So my experience as a kid was that my parents were very permissive, as very much we talked through things and they were trying to convince us of what they believed. They were not dictating very much, but I had friends because we grew up in a very conservative, evangelical space that their parents were very descriptive. They said here's what we do my way, or the highway, groundings, spankings, whatever the punishment for that age was. And what I realized was eventually we all all these people that I grew up with we all went to college and the worlds couldn't have been more different. Two years after college, the world that my siblings and I went into was most of us were drinking because we didn't think we wanted to drink. None of us ever did drugs because we did not want to do drugs.
Speaker 3:We kind of had made these decisions with our parents, where a lot of I feel like I had some friends that ended up in this world that they'd never, ever developed this muscle of like. Why am I not allowed to do this? Why would I not go with some random guy to a bar and then go to his hotel room? If the parents are always dictating what you do at some point, the parent isn't there. If the parents are always dictating what you do, at some point the parent isn't there, and if the kids haven't figured out how to think through okay, how do I make this decision? Then you, as a parent, I think it failed. You know you've atrophied this muscle intentionally and now they're left trying to fend for themselves, and it mostly turns out to be pretty poor, because you know they're 18, now trying to figure it out for the first time.
Speaker 2:I know for myself, I was feel like I was making adult decisions pretty early, you know, and it was like looking back I'm like whoa, like that explains why I have street smarts. You know, being in certain positions where you have to like, let's say, fin for yourself, but really know, you know your own kind of limits, and sometimes not even knowing them, but then finding out later like, oh, that maybe was not the best choice, but how do you set those limits in a way that's not putting your child in danger but still giving them the freedom to learn and explore?
Speaker 3:you know, so the way I describe it to my daughter and my wife and I both are kind of do it the same way is her life outcome is not my responsibility. If she becomes the president, it'll be because she did that. If she does something different, that will be her decision. But my role is to be as helpful as I can along the way. But my role is to be as helpful as I can along the way.
Speaker 3:I've been put in this place of responsibility because I'm her parent, but I know more about the world right now and my role is to teach her as much as I can, to help as much as I can, to direct, to give recommendations, talk through things, but it's not to control. Talk through things, but it's not to control. So sometimes that does mean I've talked to her about. I think three hours of Roblox today is like enough. But my goal in that conversation is to convince her. Hey, here's why I don't think three hours of Roblox is good for you. It's the same reason that three hours of Halo wouldn't be good for me. And if I can convince her, then that's something that's living inside of her. It's self-directed rather than it just becoming the parent checks in and pulls the plug whenever they notice that you're disobedient.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so much of it is like talking about the why also Like this is not because I'm telling you to do this, like here's what I'm thinking about as I'm making this recommendation or as we're talking through this. Here's what I don't want to happen. Here are my concerns. So they can at least connect the dots, because I think sometimes as parents, we assume that kids connect the dots that we're connecting, but the reality is like they're they don't always right, they don't have the same context or experience that we have.
Speaker 1:Um, so I think sometimes it's just so important to start with that sort of frame, framing them as we're. We're having this conversation. But also something I love that you're talking about is keeping that lineup communication active where, like, if something happens and my kids are like 17, 18, 23, I want them to be comfortable coming to me and talking to me about it. I don't want them to think my first instinct is going to be to judge or correct them. I want them to know that I care about them and I'll give them guidance, you know when it's appropriate. But more than anything, I want them comfortable to have a conversation with me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean another childhood experience to have a conversation with me. Yeah, I mean another childhood experience. I had friends growing up that ended up calling my parents when one of them took a bunch of pills and needed to go have her stomach pumped at the hospital. Didn't tell her own parents because knew that would only end up with her getting in a ton of trouble. But she knew that my parents would come over, pick her up, take her to the hospital, get that taken care of before anybody got in trouble. Your kids are going to be faced with scary situations. Everybody has some moments where like, oh, I need help and if I have, as a parent, have shown up. Every time something gets scary, I yell because you made a bad decision. The kids learn the lesson. I'm not going to tell dad. Dad will get mad, so I should just deal with it on my own. I'd much rather, like you're saying, be there to be helpful and help solve the problem, rather than be the parent who's just scared the kids away from ever asking for help Absolutely.
Speaker 2:This is kind of shifting just a little bit to more like discipline. Everything you're sharing, alvin, like I think of, like it's obviously coming from such a loving place and discipline can come from a loving place. This is a question for both of you. When it comes to like discipline and technology and really just like when you know your kid has probably been spending too much time on something and you kind of want to pull them apart from that situationally. I don't know how often it happens, but like what's your, what's your guys' approach to that.
Speaker 3:What we did for our family. We had this recently. I wasn't just concerned for my daughter, I was also concerned for myself. You know, we had a Sunday where I'm looking out of the room, we're all just sitting on a device. We're not with each other. I'm looking at Instagram, my wife's looking at Instagram, my daughter's on Roblox or something, and the next Sunday or next Saturday, I said, hey, I'm pretty concerned. You're already eight, 10 years from now, you're going to be out of the house. We're not going to have another kid. This is the end. We've got this time together.
Speaker 3:Would you both be okay with a no device day? No phones, no anything, no TV, and we just put the phones away. Now we wake up in the morning and we spend Sunday 100% together. When we talked about it, everyone goes okay, we'll try it. And we did it for a Sunday and I think it worked, because my daughter didn't see it as dad's taking my device away. It was here's what we really want. We want connection and we'll all do this together. Are we in? And then everyone seemed much more excited than if I was kind of demanding. You know, certain adherence.
Speaker 1:I do think that's a lot of the reasons why electronics are so prevalent.
Speaker 1:It's just easy babysitting you know, if I want time to myself or I just want to disconnect for a little bit, hand them a tablet, hand them an Xbox control, whatever, and they'll just be engaged in that for ever, you, until I decide like, let's, let's do something different. So I think a lot of it is on us as parents to be the ones that are engaged. Something different. It could be as simple as a board game or like walking the dog, and there is always that dissatisfaction moment of like okay, I have to turn my video games off and do something else, and so there is that like disconnecting. That's never pleasant.
Speaker 1:What I've learned is like giving them, like here, five minutes and the games are turning off, and if they have to like finish a game, they're like all right, finish that game. And ask them how long is that going to be? It's like 10 minutes, right, that's fine, 10 minutes, turn the game off. We're on the same page, we're having a conversation, we're collaborating about a solution, which I like. Kind that process and then being actively engaged in doing something, because I'm asking them to turn their xbox off but I'm just on my phone scrolling or writing emails, like that's not teaching them a good lesson, that's just. You know that's teaching them like, why do I have to do this but you don't?
Speaker 1:And I think, even like at dinner where, like if they want to watch youtube because because I don't think kids watch tv any longer it's just like scrolling, like watching youtube, like if they want to do that. If I just say no, then it's a fight. But if I'm better about, I want to chat with you guys, like I want to hear how your day was, then they kind of understand. I think it helps them feel valued and understand why I want youtube off. It's not because I'm mad at them or trying to punish them, it's just like hey, I want this time together. And usually they're a lot more receptive when we have that sort of a conversation I think this applies.
Speaker 3:I mean not just all parenting, but like life in general. When you attack things from don't do x position, it's kind of a position of weakness. You're like, okay, I'm eliminating youtube. Well, guess what kids are going to figure out immediately that spotify has videos too. And then you go okay, okay, spotify, spotify shut down. Then they figure out I mean, this is these are true stories from friends. Like their kids figured out the Roku TV upstairs actually could get into YouTube If you installed the app in. Like their five-year-olds figuring this out, your kids will work around the rule if it's all about rules.
Speaker 3:But if you give a goal of what you want and what good thing is out there, then they'll just go for that. If you say, hey, I want it to be in really good shape, that does so much better than saying chips aren't allowed. If you lead towards a thing you want, it helps you avoid all of the bad behaviors. It's much less painful. So that's worked for me, I think, with my personal habits, but it's also helped quite a bit with parenting. Just where are we leading to? It's not just away from YouTube, it's for conversations at the dinner table, it's for getting to go take my daughter with me when I go golf or something Like. If you lay out with the exciting thing, then it's much easier to get them away from the thing you don't want to do.
Speaker 2:My wife was in Hawaii a couple of years back for work and she we you know we always talked about going to Hawaii together. We've both been there independently for work and so it felt like a big deal when she went, cause she's like been there independently for work and so it felt like a big deal when she went, cause she's like, oh, I've always wanted to go to Hawaii. She goes. And then she goes on a hike one day and she just hears a kid talking to the family, just like can we go back? I want to play on my iPad. And I was like I waited so long to come to this place in this beautiful hike and this kid is just like I want to go back and play my iPad. And it makes me think about that because of what you're saying. Like, even on vacations, do you think there's like an engagement? Like what is it that kids would rather go on their iPad than experience the world around them?
Speaker 3:I think just we got to look inside ourselves. How many times have you been thinking I'd love to go on a date with my wife? I think just we got to look inside ourselves. How many times have you but thinking I'd love to go on a date with my wife, I'd love to go hang out with my friends, I'd love to go to this sporting event? And you pull your phone out and 30 seconds later you're deep into some stupid Instagram reels. What was I going to do? Yeah, but it's like I know that I'm addicted to this thing and so I can tell my daughter you can't be on there. But the same way, my wife could turn to me 10 seconds later and be like hey, you're on your phone Because this stuff is so addictive, you know. So I don't know. I think that's probably what's happening to the kid in Hawaii. I'm sure last time I was in Hawaii too.
Speaker 2:You know, you see your phone and it has got such a strong pull Managing tech on vacations or so you know, and as becoming a dad and then getting older and seeing how much everything costs, you know, like I know, jacob just recently came down to Southern California and I just have a different perspective on it now and I haven't even taken any big trips but like looking at Disneyland and how much it could cost, and then to go through all that and you put the work together and you finally got things moving. We're showing up and then the kid's just like I want to be anywhere, but here you're like what. You know how hard this was to get to this point.
Speaker 3:For sure yeah we're in florida so many times. If I got to disney world and half of the families are having the time of their life, the other half are going oh my gosh, what a mistake. This is so hot. The kids are burned out. I'm burned out and this was costing us two thousand dollars a day.
Speaker 1:This is not a good idea it is incredible how much money we spend on theme parks, for sure. But yeah, I think I think also it gets back to like just I know I've had ideas of things I wanted to do with my kids and then if they push back at all, I'm like, all right, I'm not gonna like force this, I'm not gonna spend all this money if you're not even excited about it, like, let me make sure we're planning something that we're all on the same page, it'll be a fun experience. Or else you have that I feel like people are like I didn't even want to be here and the parents are resentful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. To go back to Instagram, I watched this Instagram video. At one point it was some golf pro talking about how to get your kids interested in golf and it ended up being this kind of like dump. I mean, he just had so much info, but it was basically just great info about how to make things fun for kids. You know he was like take your kids to the thing you love, show them why you love it, leave before they get burned out. You have to be ready to go. Bring some snacks, you know, share your excitement and have a Coke. Tell them how much you enjoyed the time.
Speaker 3:Since I watched that, I started taking my daughter with me when I'd go play golf. I started taking her to Jaguars football games and now we have, like these two camping, three different areas. That are all things that I really love, some of which my wife doesn't care for, but my daughter now has taken to them completely. Because it's very intentional, I'm like I'm trying to share how exciting this stuff is. I know you're only going to give me like two chances to show you how fun camping is before you've decided. Camping is terrible and it's been really nice. I don't know if I could find that Instagram again. I'd love to share it because it was so helpful in getting me to think intentionally about how do I make this a positive first few experiences to really showcase, you know, the benefit of a sporting event.
Speaker 2:I wish my dad would have saw that Cause I on episode one or two I shared my childhood was my dad forcing me? But I mean so many golf lessons, different instructors, golf camps, golf tournaments, and I was like I don't care about this sport. I know I'm interested in it but I'm going there showing up like no, why behind it? And as kids, it's fun to think back on what we loved as kids, what we really enjoyed, like oh, and you share that. You know it's fun to think back on what we loved as kids. You know what we really enjoyed, like oh, and you share that you know. Like you talk about it with your partner. I used to love this when I was a kid, doing such and such thing. You know it was like a deeper connection behind it and building those connections usually stems from the parent.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean with everything. I feel like I talk a much better game than I live. It's much harder to put this stuff into practice and I know every kid is different. Some are much more. We're going to push back much harder. Some are going to be much easier to convince that what your ideas are great, but I really do believe you know kids are much more rational than we often give them credit for. Kids are much, much better at talking about deep and heavy issues, even whether it be internet safety, any number of things. Kids are really good at understanding it. We can talk to an eight-year-old about nutrition and that ends up being more conducive to behavior change than yelling about bad foods. I really think we don't give kids much credit, and if you do, at least in my experience, it mostly turns out pretty well. So I really appreciate being on the podcast and getting to chat with you. Thank you for coming on Alvin.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Appreciate you.
